China: Capitalist, Socialist or What?

  • Dave:

Easier said than done. The fact that your government is committing an active genocide against Uyghur Muslims, suppressing democracy in Hong Kong, as well attempting to bully the rest of the world into obeying their foreign policy, doesn't help your case.

  • Perry Zhang:

@Dave LMAO… U r so brainwashed to believe the mainstream media which have become nothing but miserable propaganda tools for the west. Your words with no evidence, like the mainstream media, are so laughable that makes you like a fool to the local Chinese. I live in Xinjiang and I know the situation here way better than you. Believe me or not, there is no place on this planet better than China for the fortune of Uyghur Muslims and Tibetans. Chinese nowadays do not give a damn to your western fake democracy and the so called human rights at all. Look at the results of Covid19, your government seems have no interest to human lives at all.

Genocide only exist in the west vocabulary. What had the US done to the Muslim countries in the Middle East? What had the Yankees done to the black people, not to mention the history of Native Americans. Black lives matter, man?!

It's time for the US to try something new to solve their own social problems. There is a cure called socialism which have been proven to be true.

  • Dave

@Perry Zhang Thanks for engaging me in political discourse over the internet! I can still go to any website I want to, at least for now. How about you?

To be honest, there's little point in responding to you. You are denying an actual genocide taking place within your own country. Any sources I cite attempting to provide evidence to this genocide will be dismissed by you as being ‘Western propaganda’. How convenient for you! Well, I'm still going to cite sources:

https://www.mdpi.com/2075-471X/9/1/1 https://uhrp.org/press-release/detained-and-disappeared-intellectuals-under-assault-uyghur-homeland.html https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-china-rights-idUSKCN1TI236 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/25/thousands-of-xinjiang-mosques-destroyed-damaged-china-report-finds https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-muslim-children-uighur-family-separation-thought-education-a8989296.html https://www.ft.com/content/48508182-d426-11e9-8367-807ebd53ab77 https://www.spiegel.de/consent-a-?targetUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Finternational%2Fworld%2Fchinese-oppression-of-the-uighurs-like-cultural-genocide-a-1298171.html&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2F

Literally, there seems to be an endless supply of articles to cite from. Right, right, they're all Western propaganda. Everyone must be lying. My bad. Couldn't resist.

What if I were to grant you that there was no genocide taking place in China? What then?

“Believe me or not, there is no place on this planet better than China for the fortune of Uyghur Muslims and Tibetans.”

Highly unlikely! Even if there is no genocide, countries like Germany, Turkey, Sweden, and yes, the US, seem to be much more accommodating to Uyghur Muslims than China. All for… unknown reasons, I guess.

https://brill.com/view/book/edcoll/9789004417342/BP000010.xml https://newbloommag.net/2018/10/15/uighur-refugees-internationally/

For Tibetans, I would say that… Tibet would be a better country for Tibetans, than China! Wait a second, I can't say Tibet would be a better country for Tibetans than China, because…

https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/306395/ https://www.beyondintractability.org/casestudy/stokes-tibet https://thelogicalindian.com/story-feed/awareness/conflict-between-tibet-and-china/

Oh, wait. Again, Western propaganda… Guess we're all just lying.

Ok, what are your next points? “Chinese nowadays do not give a damn to your western fake democracy and the so called human rights at all.”

Something we can agree on! Well, kind of. I agree, our democracy is fucking trash. I want to fix it. And I want to fix it in a way that still makes it a respectable system while maintaining my freedoms. Freedoms that you've already given up. How is your social credit system going? Do you enjoy having most of the internet censored by your government? Do you like living in fear of Xi Ping? Don't call him Winnie the Pooh or else you might have your organs harvested! I'm sure that's really healthy for an entire country's population.

Human rights? Again. There seems to be a pattern here. I identify what is wrong with my country and attempt to fix it. I have the freedom to speak. To enact change. You? Try to argue against your social credit system to your local government. Let's see how well that turns out.

“Genocide only exist in the west vocabulary. What had the US done to the Muslim countries in the Middle East? What had the Yankees done to the black people, not to mention the history of Native Americans. Black lives matter, man?”

Again, the pattern continues. Because of freedom, I agree that our country, while not committing actual genocide, has committed war crimes in the Middle East. The amount of Muslim civilians killed by the U.S. military is absolutely atrocious. The United States should withdraw from Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria. It should break its alliance with Saudi Arabia. And yet, despite all of the Muslims killed by the U.S., they still flock to our country because of our freedoms, not yours. In fact, do you know that there is only one ethnicity immigrating to China? Guess which one. Chinese. Funny how that works.

Regarding African-Americans and Native Americans, again, utter atrocities.

“It's time for the US to try something new to solve their own social problems. There is a cure called socialism which have been proven to be true.”

Agreed, my friend. Socialism may very well be the proper solution. How about a hybrid approach? Communist workplace co-ops, socially provided systems for healthcare, social security, public education, etc. A capitalistic market place. Of course, we're going to do our best to get there without having Big Brother watching over our shoulder. Without Big Brother being the board of directors for every one of our countries. Without Big Brother being our police and local government. Without Big Brother enacting a social credit system on the entirety of our population and censoring the majority of free information that the world.

Anyway, have a good one, Perry. Don't say anything bad about Daddy Xi or else you might have your organs taken away. Bye!

  • Perry Zhang

​@Dave I'm tired of this kind of bullshit, cause u do not know China at all. All ur source and hatred towards China comes from the mainstream media. The way u r talking really make me laugh. It seems ur brain has been harvested by ur biased information. I guess what u really want is to destroy China, right?

Why articles? Who wrote them? Who is behind these stories (CIA is deeply involved in the separatism of some Uyghurs and Tibetans abroad)? Why not local videos? Why don't you come to China and live there at least 3 months to see the facts through ur own eyes if u care so much about the local Chinese? U really think u know the situation in China better than any local Chinese, don't u?

Most mainland Chinese have to study Marxism-Leninism-Maoism for years, then most of them choose to believe in materialism. We believe someone should form his point of view based on facts rather than rumors or lies.

China know the west way more and deeper than the opposite. We learn English from secondary school to college. I guess most Americans can not read Chinese characters or speak mandarin which is the largest written and spoken language respectively in this world. When the mainland Chinese children grow up, they may study abroad or do their own research on the Internet for all kinds of information (using VPN or something). The more they learn, the more likely they will turn their back on the western ideology and become more patriotic to their motherland. Because they know what the CPC has achieved is absolutely remarkable and they think their country are marching in the right direction for all humankind.

To be honest with u, I can say whatever I want in China. Believe it or not, Chinese like to blame the government especially for its wrong move. But u may get trouble here to spread hatred words such as terrorism or separatism or rumors that may cause social damage. The GFW (Great Firewall) is wonderful. The wall keep most Chinese away from the biased mainstream media which got lots of ppl in Hongkong and Taiwan brainwashed just like u.

At least we stand on the common ground of approaching a system with socialist characteristics. Each country has its own objective condition, and so does the political system. The form of political structure in China may not apply to the US, and vice versa. China was dogmatic like Soviet Union or North Korea but not any more. Now the Chinese are very pragmatic, and if your theory do work, don't worry, they will apply. The model is this: practice -> theory -> practice.

为什么台湾必须被大陆统一

卧塌之侧岂容他人酣睡!中国历朝改换朝代不都是将异己除之而后快。理性点从地缘政治来讲,你觉得对于中国这样一个大国来说,会允许一个不友好的地区始终存在于自己最要命的方位么?而且这个地方还时不时和美日联动威胁自身安全。对于台湾来说,民族认同压根不算事。老蒋从日本人手里接手台湾的时候会考虑皇民不好统治吗?如果是新疆西藏的话还有宗教因素牵扯在里面,台湾与大陆同文同种要改造思想很容易。思想层面推倒重建就行了,尤其是国家安全和学校教育一定会被重点关照,剩下的事情交给时间来解决。就像你说的,时代会变,人的思想也会。但是矫枉必须过正,要不然就搞成和现在的香港一样,肉体回归灵魂出窍。

其实大陆要统一台湾最重要的原因就是地缘政治,其次才是因为同文同种的两岸人內战没有结束。台湾的地理位置太关键。作为第一岛链上封堵大陆且离大陆经济腹地如此之近的战略要地,如果台湾回归,那对外其可以作为中国海空军力量无障碍前出太平洋的主要基地之一;必要时可以威胁日韩的海上生命线,可以掐断驻日驻韩美军和印度洋之间的联系。对內台湾可以拱卫大陆免受外部力量威胁。但如果掌控台湾的是外部势力,就相当于大陆的睾丸被捏在外人手里。比如现在的蔡政府与美日眉来眼去,几乎成为盟友,那台湾就是西方顶在中国肚子上的一把枪,这样的台湾政府是大陆必除之而后快的。

而且你搞错了前后逻辑,是因为台湾政府在努力推进独立和反中,才招致中国大陆在国际上多方位的反制行为。不是大陆对台湾输出火力,是台湾自己跳进了火坑,然后又抱怨火坑里太烫。

如果台湾不是在大陆边上,不是刚好堵在第一岛链的关键位置上,那相信台湾爱咋咋地,大家皆大欢喜。如果台湾是在美国西海岸加州的边上,那当年老蒋逃到台湾以后也就和大陆没什么关系了,台湾要担心的就该是会不会被美国折腾了。考虑到美国白人在美洲的行为方式以及当地土著的下场,我觉得那种情况下台湾的前景比较让人担忧。

转变思想

最不喜欢的文学类型就是言之无物的小清新作品,有那时间不如去看网文小说。要读有思想深度的可以去看儒道佛的经典,四书老庄金刚经,要不读严肃经得起推敲的政经作品。

龙应台就和方方一样,典型的所谓公知,生产了一些小众卖情怀的文学作品,说实话我一本也没看过。不过听她们的语言,就能感受到其对自由民主神教的笃定信仰,她们包括一批上了年纪思想固化的知识分子是被时代抛弃的人。

我自己都有一个从愤青逐渐转变思想到支持土共的过程,而和我同是八零后的少部分同学仍旧保持原来的观点。不相信自己的政府,始终觉得自由民主的空气比较香。所以不明状况者如我也不知道张一鸣同学是不是仍旧保持十几年前发微博时对中国的负面看法,还是作为一个企业管理者不得不保持火星人的视角。张一鸣有转变思想的条件,但到了龙女士和方方这个年纪,除非在她们身上发生重大变故,不然要转变思想基本不可能。看得多了,现在对这些上了年纪的人包括高晓松甚至有点同情可怜的意思,毕竟一个人看法形成以后要改谈何容易,谁又能逃得出时代的窠臼?

对于香港和台湾来说也是一样,希望还是掌握在年轻人手里。就算他们对大陆的看法再负面,转变思想都相对比较容易。相信大多数年轻人只要在国內国外拓展眼界以后,多经历几次文化冲击(culture shock),就会大不一样。任何道理都是从渐悟到顿悟的过程。众里寻他千百度,蓦然回首,那人却在,灯火阑珊处。

为什么西方那么喜欢印度

为什么西方那么喜欢印度?回答这个问题之前,最好先讨论另一个问题。印度真的摆脫殖民地状况,独立自主了吗?英国人就那么大方的放弃了自己最重要的殖民地?只靠甘地发起的非暴力不合作运动就真的能让一向吃人不吐骨头的盎格鲁-撒克逊人乖乖撤退认输吗?对于大英帝国来说,印度可真是一只会下金蛋的母鸡啊!印度统治精英阶层到底代表谁的利益?为什么已经回归中国 23 年之久,不少香港人还认为英国才是主子?为什么香港实行一部国安法就能让那些“英国绅士老爷们”发神经般的攻击中国?按理来说,这和英国有什么关系?

时代变了,通过占领一个国家获取资源利益的方式太原始太粗鲁了。能从经济和文化价值认同方面着手控制一个国家,吃相要优雅的多。坏人让别人去做,西方从此洁白如圣女。要知道印度人没有经过暴力革命,那么旧的买办型经济结构就不可能改变。

西方人喜欢印度其实就和他们喜欢日本和韩国(当然还有台湾)一样,因为印度的统治精英很大程度上并不是站在本国人民一边,而是为前殖民统治集团英美白人阶层利益服务的买办资本家。对西方的利益输送都是通过出卖本地区乃至本国利益来实现的。二鬼子是最可恶的,就像疯狗远比狗主人看起来更凶恶。狗当得久了也就不会做人了,这叫斯德哥尔摩综合征。印度人对战胜中国的民粹主义情绪不可不用疯狂来形容,可这真的是印度最好的选择么?一方面印度认为中国目前四面交困,现在开战是火中取栗的好时机;另一方面西方白人覇权主义者眼看夕阳西下无能为力,狗急跳墙,意图通过煽动两场针对中国的大规模代理人战争(东部台湾加日韩,西部印度)打断中国的发展步伐,让西方覇权能够苟延残喘。

自由亚洲电台采访蔡霞的评论

德先生要和赛先生站在一起,德先生是形式,赛先生是精神,精神始终高于形式。民主要讲科学,无脑空谈民主只得其形,而不得其神。民主合理的形式应该是阶梯状,从基层依次向上递进,基层有基层民主,官员有官员民主。一个人的圈子就那么大,选个村长或者居委会主任也得打听了解一下,直选总统不值一哂。让专业的人做专业的事,总统至少要从省长等阶以上的官员中选出来,找个没有施政经验的演员上台是天大的笑话。

共产主义还很年轻,至今没有成功先例可循,但强在生命力。中国共产党高层内部要怎么搞,只能自己摸索。普通人不懂也无能为力,要么不感兴趣,要么权当谈资。只要国家能朝好的方向发展,那执政党的合法性就不容置疑,空谈误国!最好共产党能够完善自己的党内民主,千万别变成西方的多党制,百姓不是政客的玩具。

共产主义胜在思想,国际人道主义关怀是本质属性,建设人类命运共同体不是说说而已。当有朝一日中国干掉美国(北美奴隶主反人类匪帮)变成世界最强国家,相信马克思主义中国化也能获得很大的发展。彼时中国人在思想上除了儒释道三家合一,相信中国化马列主义也会有一席之地。这或许是中国人的一小步,卻一定是全人类的一大步,那将是国际共产主义的高光时刻。用不着中国对外输出革命,世界上许多追求进步的国家,恐怕也会自动到中国求取真经。

现在这个节骨眼攻击中国,为美帝提供弹药的华人及亚裔,不客气的说全是亚洲反贼。中央党校的教授变成这副尊容实在让人无语,从肉体到灵魂卖了个彻底!